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Hi everyone and thanks for having a look at this post ❤️

 

I am playing a level 77 rogue but I am still very new to ragnarok and I've found equipment to be a little bit puzzling. It seems that you don't really find it very often at all. In fact I think in all my time playing I've only found a couple of things and outside of the eden quests I've not found any armour anywhere as such I haven't really had much experience with it and I'm not really sure on how one gets more. 

I've been following the Rogue levelling guide from here: https://wiki.talonro.com/Rogue_-_Leveling_Guide at the end it has budget equipment. I'd quite like to look for it and pick it up myself if I can but I don't really know how to go about doing that

If we take the first piece: "Top – Hermose Cap [1]" and I try to use the itemdb it does come up (https://panel.talonro.com/itemdb/5481/) but it doesn't say how you can get it (I see that it has a reward guru cost but I was wondering how you got it without spending TCs). Similar thing happens for the Robo eye as well sadly. I haven't really looked at the others yet but I'd like to get my head around these first 2 first so I know I'm using the databases correctly.

 

Is there a guide you could maybe link me to that explains RO items like I'm five? This seems like quite a different system to other MMOs that seem to hand out items like candy all the time. I am sure there is a system that I just haven't grasped yet.

I seem to die quite a lot if I wander around and I don't know if my gear is a large part of the reasoning. It seems I can still kill the myst cases fine but I'm finding gathering the items for the Moscovia Dungeon entrance quest kinda difficult and I have some open equipment slots on my sheet which makes me wonder if I've done something wrong

 

Many thanks x

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Check out our wiki.talonro.com for headgear quests. Chiqita's jewelry box is a custom item in our server that will give random mid headgear. I think this is the only other way to get robo eye beside reward guru. I can't find how to get hermose cap beside reward guru, unfortunately.

Personally, I don't really like hermose cap.

My phases on searching specific item... check panel.talonro.com item database -> monster drop? reward guru? (last option) market? (second last option) -> buyable at npc? (click right the item in game) check ratemyserver.net (whether "non-custom" npc sells it) -> Click here for a list of venders to know the location (warning: some npcs get relocated on our server, especially prontera, payon, izulde) -> check wiki.talonro.com (guide) to find the quest related especially when it's custom on our server -> check irowiki.org/classic/ (Headgear_Ingredients or other) for official quests -> check forum talonro, guides, events for seasonal items -> check rental npc at prontera and malangdo -> ask players (barely since I am too lazy to interact) -> give up and feel miserable.

It's normal to die when you have no clue. Ragnarok classic is one of the old games that do not give warning to newbies on what to prepare to survive the dungeon hence we usually recommend to read guides made by players first.

Probably better to just switch into bow build (agi dex) to farm moscovia item quests, spam double strafe fron distance, kill before monster reachs, and go back to doctor to refill sp.

Other useful links:

http://tcalc.github.io/ -> especially item use finder

https://github.com/rathena/rathena/blob/master/doc/item_bonus.txt -> always read the item script to check the correct effect, the descriptions sometimes are deceiving, this link will tell what exactly the script does.

https://irowiki.org/classic/Stats -> tell you exactly what stat does, useful for stat building.

Silly notes:

Utilizing /where commands... you will get text saying x, y numbers. x represents the x-axis, and y -> y-axis. On your mini map, bottom left corner would be 0, 0 and top right corner would max, max. Middle usually 100 something, not always true, depend on map size.

General rule of thumb for gears. Upper headgear is dominated by either kaho or valk, custom on our server, the other variations are very rare (usually because you are vamp smith or vanilla pvp/woe build). I would pick brazil national flag hat or other headgear with bSpeedRate, 25  (especially without dual client acolyte) before advancing to kaho. There's moogle with inc agi skill but I am to lazy to always re-buff. Though the upside is, you can cancel the speed debuff immediately using the skill. Mid headgear slot is dominated by slotted mid, because of card slot is usually more important. Notable cards on headgear: myst case, +damage like bloody knight, high wizard, anti status effect like marduk. Lower mid is usually PCB or +1 stat something or add item drop chance like wine cup or poring letter. Armor slot is usually any with high def, +3 stat, and elemental card like bathory, to reduce the monster potential huge damage on specific dungeons (or just 4 types of elemental armor[1]) or mvp cards like RSX or Tao. Garment slot is usually either for flee or neutral resist. Notable flee gears: dragon mant, vest set, pantie + undershirt. Shoes slot is usually sleipnir carded with mvp cards, like gec, eddga. Notable shoes: bunny slipper. Accessory slot is usually +stat like celebration ring, bris, accessory cards usually are +stat like ifrit, sting, extra skills like creamy, add item drops like mimic, myang or extra effect like hell poodle, errende. Shields usually are with slots correspond on where you farm, ex: tirfing, teddy bear. Weapons usually are SQI, rental items, carded ones, elemental ones, or eden ones. Elemental weapons are inferior due to dual clienting sage for weapon element/endow buff. It's possible to fill most of the card slots with +atk/damage since they are customized to our server, this usually helps if you need extra push to one-shot kill monster, however, you will survive less (unless monsters are very easy). Also, consider the universality of gears if you decide to create more characters, like you would put gec on shoes/sandals first instead of boots, before you can afford sleipnir.

Always utilize tool dealer, they sell speed potion like awakening that will increase aspd for 1/2 hour. Fly wing is really good to move around. Potions... well we have meat with custom weight on this server.

Look up the buying shop -> check if you can farm the item -> check if the price is reasonable -> farm

 

Sorry for my english XD

Edited by kolela

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I remember when i was a 80 ish rogue, i was overconfident, attacking a plant monster and got wrecked miserably after 😅.

What kolela suggest about bow build (agi+dex) is good for beginner, you can get either roguemaster bow,burning bow or even orc archer bow if you have the budget (50% range dmg with steel arrow equipped).

If you insist on melee double attack build, you might wanna check on vva elemental dagger.

Note: another crazy build is to plagiarize firewall (changing build to int and dex) and play level like a wizard on glast heim map.

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Thank you for such a detailed couple of replys! I still find it quite overwhelming but I think I can start to unpick that.

I don't really have too much experience with MMOs, really the only one I've played in any detail is Guild Wars 2 and in that game it didn't really seem to matter what class you were as long as you were fighting monsters around your level or below it you could take them on quite readily. I'm wondering if in this game certain classes should stick to certain monsters and you shouldn't expect to be able to take absolutely everything when you are fully levelled. That does sound like it could bring quite an interesting layer of strategy compared to other MMOs but I don't really know what I can take at the moment outside of trial and error. 

I'm not too worried about getting the bits for the quest. I find that the goats seem to take forever to drop but that's the beauty of being able to ninja in and steal the horns, its those harpy women that seem to destroy me. I think if I keep going for it I will eventually get there. Or I guess I could go back to the myst cases. I have been fighting them for a while now and have around 600 cakes to sell at some point but I'm starting to yearn for a little bit of a change of scenery ^^

I don't know if looking for equipment at the moment is the right thing for me to do but its something that is at the back of my mind. I feel I could still probably get a lot of power from levelling up and if I can keep finding monsters that I can dispatch as easily as the myst cases then I don't think I'll need to consider it too hard until I get to the top level anyway, Perhaps I should just keep attacking the cases though. I really would quite like the card, especially as I've not yet found a card :)

I didn't realise that there was a way to change my build. I thought you had to reset to do that or roll a separate character? I don't know how comfortable I would be changing at this stage. I find the myst cases, albethey repetitive are at least a reliable system for me and I will be able to eventually fund a different character possibly? I haven't really found a guild or people to play with yet which is what attracted me to this class in the first place but once I do it might be nice to get some advice as to what niche I could fill rather than trying to fit in with something I've made myself.

Thanks again for the help x

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1 hour ago, Rosewhisper said:

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I don't really have too much experience with MMOs, really the only one I've played in any detail is Guild Wars 2 and in that game it didn't really seem to matter what class you were as long as you were fighting monsters around your level or below it you could take them on quite readily. I'm wondering if in this game certain classes should stick to certain monsters and you shouldn't expect to be able to take absolutely everything when you are fully levelled. That does sound like it could bring quite an interesting layer of strategy compared to other MMOs but I don't really know what I can take at the moment outside of trial and error.

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Even after reaching level 99, rebirthing and getting decent gear the places you can go depend heavily on the class and build you are playing. And yes early on most of the game is trial and error to see where you can go and what you can do. After getting some experience with the game and understanding more about the mechanics you will be able to predict what might work by reading databases like the MobDB.

The game itself is not very open about stuff like that. Like you can't even see how much HP an enemy has left ;)

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Yeah :) it's quite interesting to think how my character will struggle to see the whole world. I guess it means you get to experience fresh areas with brand new characters!

I re read the guide I am following (the zenny farming rogue). I think I didn't quite realize that I was building a full on specialist who isn't really designed to do much else. I think I've been spoilt by the likes of guild wars 2 that kinda says no matter how you play it will all work out at max level and you can do everything. That's quite interesting! 

I'm wondering now if maybe I should make a second theif and try something entirely different, maybe making an assassin that might allow me to do a few more varied things and switch to this one when I need money?

Yeah :) it's quite interesting to think how my character will struggle to see the whole world. I guess it means you get to experience fresh areas with brand new characters!

I re read the guide I am following (the zenny farming rogue). I think I didn't quite realize that I was building a full on specialist who isn't really designed to do much else. I think I've been spoilt by the likes of guild wars 2 that kinda says no matter how you play it will all work out at max level and you can do everything. That's quite interesting! 

I'm wondering now if maybe I should make a second theif and try something entirely different, maybe making an assassin that might allow me to do a few more varied things and switch to this one when I need money?

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The limit of character class are usually on high-end mvp. Other than that, all classes pretty much can do most of the contents, even solo support class (since our custom items help them a lot to "solo-ing") . Also, the limit itself is established by people who want to do high-end mvp effectively and without adjusting the current common strategy. In short, most people don't like to change, and just play whatever mainstream class and easy strategy to do high-end content. You need to have more dedication to find people agreed with you doing the content with non-mainstream classes.

Private server usually have easy/cheap service for changing stat/skill build, few k zeny.  It's literally few seconds to change build once you get good at it. The command is like /agi+ 98 (increase agi 98 points). Also, maximize your skill window then you can just click skills that you want without caring the per-requisite. The reset npc building would be the same as the first npc, manuela, that greet you after character creation. Also, It may be better to read the tutorial quests again when you create another character if you skim read those and forgot one or two info.

If you stick on dagger build, I am afraid assassin gameplay might be too similar on how you currently play your rogue. I wouldn't recommend to make assassin as your second character, probably much later when you main character is much improved. But these two have very similar equipment build, except for weapons and shield.

Bow on this game is broken (too much favored) on early game (The second broken mechanic is magic), hence we usually recommend it first over early dagger build. Unlike melee, your stat build is much easier because you only care dex as your main stat (attack and hit), and agi just for aspd, then flee comes as bonus but you most likely don't need it since you shoot from distance. You can change element easy by changing arrow. The damage boost is up to 2x by matching the element. You can check the monster element weakness from mob database. You can't auto-steal with bow though, but you have better chance to steal with high dex build. There's rental bow too.

Harpy on goats is one of the reason I mentioned fly wing. You use it to escape from them! or just to look for more goats. This is actually faster than normal walking, but there's cost (still cheap), that sometimes people just use creamy card accessory. Antelope skin worth like 4 - 5 k zeny, if I remember correctly, btw.

Max-ing level first instead of equipment.... in my opinion... our server is private, the exp supposed to be easier to acquire anywhere. The improvement from max-ing level would be 20% - 30% assuming you didn't change equipment. However, when you know what equipment to buy for significant improvement, you usually have 1.5x or 2x more damage output/benefit (but that usually with couple of mils zeny cost). Also, if you are just a beginner, you will feel really slow at leveling up around level 80 - 90 anyway, if you didn't change place, and myst case is not that great for exp leveling.

You can change map now! away from myst case!

If you're too lazy, to look up buying shop. You can sell those cakes by making merchant. (Please make merchant on separate account so you can /autotrade your merchant and play your main character or afk). The fastest way would be level 10 overcharge them, or if you want a bit more profit and don't mind waiting, vend them. Vending in main cities (prontera + payon) would require you to ask the vending npc (beard uncle guy), you can vend whereever on other maps.

Let me explain deeper in buying shop by example.

At this moment, I see Bee Sting 1000 z, Immortal Heart 1800 z, Venom Canine 1000 z, Huge Leaf 430 z, Fig Leaf 1000 z, Witch Starsand 1366 z. The monsters that drops them are Hornet, Verit, Side Winder, Leaf Cat (save up the shrimp for summer event, btw) and Bathory. They are very easy for you at this moment and compete myst case with these profit (even better I say, though you can vend it a bit higher with time). You can search mob database on where they are mostly located. Btw, to go pyramid b1, you have to enter from the center of pyramid floor 1. And, bathory is a bit complicated (have underground key then ask npc at clock tower). You can check ratemyserver.net to check where the map portals leads to.

About card hunting, you need to remind yourself that it will take time. On average case, you want to commit yourself for at least few hours on lonely map, or few days on crowded map with card drop chance rate. Of course, you can find it on first 5 monsters killed but that's rare occurrence. I think a card that costs 1 mil or less and useful is cheap, I usually just buy them instead of commit myself farming it. This is considering I can make myself 2 mil zeny per hour. (so that's like 1/2 hour farming to get the card, and you will definitely make more than 2 mil, later)

Btw, I still think Guild Wars 2 is much more complicated than Ragnarok Online. I haven't played it, just see the videos.

 

Edited by kolela

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On 1/12/2019 at 1:50 AM, kolela said:

Check out our wiki.talonro.com for headgear quests. Chiqita's jewelry box is a custom item in our server that will give random mid headgear. I think this is the only other way to get robo eye beside reward guru.

There used to be a quest for Robo Eyes in the old days. Don't remember it exactly, cuz it was quite long so i've never done it before. Ain't sure if it works here. Try to google it. Anyway i'd suggest Eye of Darknes as mid headgear, since blindness really hurts rogues which heavily depend on their flee and the added Dex won't hurt either.

Also i'd suggest to look into Dark Rangris helm quest. It's pretty easy for a bow-rogue (and the materials used will cost cheaper them buying an Apple of Archer) and aslo those +3 dex it gives will round up your dex nicely. The only drawback - it uses up two slots on head, so there will be no mid headgear with it.

Also i suggest you do the lvl 70+ Eden equipment quests (do either the lvl 70 or the lvl 90. The lvl 80 one i really hard for a rogue). The Eden IV equipment you'll get is MUCH better then the III equipment. The III weapon can be enchanted.. It will be like one race-specific card in you weapon. I'd suggest either Formless, Demi-Human or Plants - the most rewarding mid range monsters are of these races.

You should consider having two more alts - a hunter and an assasin, since they will share equipment with your rogue. Also make a merchant to sell all that stolen/picked up loot with overcharge ;)

If you want to explore ALL  locations of RO i'd suggest you do it with your hunter. Having a Frilldora carded muffler for swap and using traps corrrectly it can survive in places and against enemies a rogue will die for sure. Assaasins can also be effective in some places a rogue will have some hard time - like biolabs or Kiel. Also i found an assasin be quite comfortable in lazy sleeper-farming. My only investments were an ice-pick and a muffler with magmaring, and my assasin was ready for farming - no skills, no tricks, just mere hitting. - 4sec per sleeper.

 

PS I used to explore RO with my experimental extended class chars like melee-ninja and agile gunslinger - it's quite a challenge and fun ;)

Edited by Iskand3r

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5 minutes ago, Iskand3r said:

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Also i found an assasin be quite comfortable in lazy sleeper-farming. My only investments were an ice-pick and a muffler with magmaring, and my assasin was ready for farming - no skills, no tricks, just mere hitting. - 4sec per sleeper.

That would pretty much be the same on rogue. And rogue would get significantly more money from autosteal ;)

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1 hour ago, DoucheEnrique said:

That would pretty much be the same on rogue. And rogue would get significantly more money from autosteal ;)

Sure it will, but it also will need an endow from sage , may be Bowling bash plagiarized and used. My assasin is literally made out of junk i picked up occasionally:

https://calc.talonro.com/?_wq3DjFsKQEAAwoXDoTVZwoI3w6USeRnCj8O/wpFxGSLCpWTDtWbDiA58w7XDl3k6LcKjUhplOhHCpU/Cp8K0w6F6w5XCqsOxJsODZ1ohLsKgO8KuCGw3wphrwofCuXp7w7TDjlnDq8OCwpLCr8ONw4NKw7jDgcOyw4cJw5w

And i was talking about LAZY farming - NO skills, NO second windows, no nothing, just simple mouse clicking - hit and pick up loot.

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