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Hi, I am Spark of the Freebies guild and I make 3m per hour at sleepers. I made this guide because I want to help people start from scratch. There is more to sleepers than just making a Knight. I will make this guide as concise yet detailed as possible. As the saying goes, less is more.

 

Prelude

You will need two accounts, a main and an alt. On each account, make 2 novices and reach level 19 via Manuela's quests. From here, you can use the !party command to partner up your characters and have your alts leech your mains.

 

Sage

Stats: Full Int

Skills: Fire bolt 8, Fire wall 10, Flame launcher 5

 Use job changer to turn your first alt into mage and reset stats to full int.  Go to Eden group and sign up, then go to the second floor and do the tutorial quests for some job levels to level up fire bolt. You can use !pj blue herb to sell them for 2k each, and sell everything else to a tool dealer.

Warp to Payon dungeon and train there until fire bolt is level 8. Next, warp to Payon city and bring one of your mains. Buy butterfly wings. Walk two maps south, pop your field manual and bolt them wolves. As you gain more int, you will be able to use a lower level bolt for faster cast. You want to stay here until you max out fire wall. Later, you can sell strawberries for 2k each by typing !pj strawberry.

Now here is the fun part. Go back to town and warp to Glast Heim Prison dungeon. Using the vertical fire wall technique, you can wipe out zombie prisoners in 1-2 casts. Here's how to do it. If the monster is approaching you from the upper left, cast fire wall next to your left and walk downwards. Similarly, if the monster is approaching you from the lower right, cast fire wall next to your right and walk upwards.

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By mastering this technique, you will be way more efficient than mages spamming soul strike or acolytes spamming heal. Stay here until job 40, which is all you need for an endow slave. After that, change to sage and continue leveling until you can max out flame launcher.

The role of sage is giving your weapon elemental attack, which can spell the difference between 1-shotting and 2-shotting sleepers. For the skill to work, you need to be in the same party or guild as the character you are buffing. Personally, it is more convenient to have them in the same guild. Kindly ask your guild leader to invite both to the guild, or make your own guild using the /guild command (no Emperium needed).

Finally, sell your loot (elunium to players) and type !sj red blood, then park your sage beside the doctor.

 

Blacksmith/Alchemist

Stats: 99 Str

Skills: Enlarge weight limit 10, Pushcart 10, Overcharge 10, maybe Vending 10

Hopefully you have been leeching this character with your sage. If not, buy some meat at Izlude and let your sage buff you, then train at wolves until you are 20 levels below your sage. (You may need to reset because you need enough Dex for 65 hit.) That should be enough to even share exp with your party. Your goal is level 65 for 99 Str which, together with maxed enlarge weight limit and pushcart, gives you the highest possible carrying capacity. You will want smith/alch and not merchant/super novice because they have a higher weight bonus.

The role of smith/alch is converting great natures (sleeper's main drop) into green lives, which sells more to Npcs. On average, 1 great nature = 6.5 green lives = 4030 zeny. Breaking GN takes seconds, which is the reason why breakers buy them, but don't fall for them. Do the following quests.

https://wiki.talonro.com/Mr._Smile_Quest

https://wiki.talonro.com/Umbala_Language_Quest

https://wiki.talonro.com/Ore_Downgrading

You don't have to rush these. You can wait until your knight is strong enough to hunt most of the materials, or until your alts have enough money to just buy them through !sj. You can convert meat into Mr. smile materials at the Npc just outside Utan chief's building, and you can buy gemstones at the tool dealer.

The GN conversion procedure is usually left click, 4 enters, down, 4 enters, type 15, spam enter. However, this can be interrupted by an occasional captcha.

As a final tip, you can use !autotrade to try selling GN for ~4k or buying them for ~3k before you sleep for more income.

 

Buffer/Warper

Stats: Full Int

Skills: Fire bolt 8  + Fire wall 10 or Heal 10 + Teleport, Blessing 10, Increase agi 10, Warp portal 4

For this part, you need to make a super novice or an acolyte. It's faster as SN because they can fire wall like sages. To become SN, you need base level 45, which you can get from wolves. The starting dagger has +60 atk and +20 hit, so you can start with 25 Dex and 20 Str. After becoming SN, you can follow the sage guide above.

If instead you made an acolyte, you can follow the sage guide right away, excluding the wolves part. Type /ns so you can heal bomb zombies at Payon dungeon, and stay there until you have teleport and maxed heal. Then, go straight to GH Prison. You will notice that your SP is not enough to kill a prisoner at first, but that's alright. Turn off !noks and ask someone to finish off the zombie for you, or even use !map or !recruit to make a party. Also, you can just teleport back to town and use the doctor to heal you back to full, then go back to hunting.

If you take the time to turn your acolyte to priest, you gain the skill Recovery which lets you cure sleep, while Blessing cure stone curse. You can use this with the !return command later on.

The role of buffer/warper is to provide blessing/increase agi and instant access to hunting areas. The +10 Str +10 Dex +12 Agi is like a free trial of Lord Kaho Horns, a 55m item. It will allow you to farm sleepers without needing meat. As for warp portal, visit and type /memo in the following areas:

  • Go to magma dungeon and enter the north portal.
  • Go to splendide near the east portal, but don't enter (pinguiculas).
  • Go to the building for the ore downgrading quest.

Finally, buy as many blue gems as you can and park your character beside the doctor.

 

Knight

Stats: 110 Str, 85 Dex (total with buffs and bonuses), rest Agi

Skills: Increase recuperative power 10, Bowling bash 10, Cavalry mastery 5, Spear mastery 10

Items: Rental Brocca (60 bronze coins), Eden gear (free from quests, 0 weight), Earth deleter card (250k) + Silk robe[1] (10k) or Grape juice (168z each), Fly wing or Infinite Fly wing (175 merit badges), Butterfly wing or !return from bonus bundle (50 copper coins)

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Unlike your other characters, you must not use the job changer. Instead, use the official job change quests to gain bronze coins.

Swordsman: http://ratemyserver.net/quest_db.php?type=60000&qid=60001

Knight: http://ratemyserver.net/quest_db.php?type=60000&qid=60010

Level up your knight the same way you would with smith/alch. You may need to leech at GHP until level 79 because imo it's the fastest way with nil gear. Then, go to Hugel city and organize/join an Odin party. You should be able to reach 91+ in a day, which allows you to do Eden's hunting board pinguicula quests for merit badges more bronze coins.

Temporary alternative: As of this edit, high orcs give double exp and bronze coins due to tamtam bonus. You can access them via orc dungeon entrance, then go one map left. Use sage's frost weapon for this. The setup for one-shotting sleepers should be enough to one-shot high orcs as well.

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Moreover, gramps is a great way to gain more merit badges and bronze coins. You can find him and learn about his quest's rewards at the eden group.

Now we focus on the items. As a knight who did the job change quests, you should have enough bronze coins to buy Rental Brocca from the rental master.

For armor, do Eden quests from Boya and Ur with some help from other players. You may choose to sell the low tier armor.

Next we want some SP recovering items. I'm selling 10+ earth deleter cards for 250k each (mail Spark Knight). With this, you will have enough SP even without GEC. If you cannot afford this yet, then you can opt to buy grape juice instead, perhaps 200 at a time.

Fly wings are a necessity for farming efficiently, however they weigh a lot. I typically bring 400~600 at a time. Once you have enough merit badges, you can buy infinite fly wing from merry barker at the left side of eden group. This should save a lot of weight.

Finally, we want to bring a couple of butterfly wings to make use of our warp portal and doctor npc. You can also avail of bonus bundle from reward master and bind !return in your alt m shortcuts. To obtain copper coins for bonus bundle, you can vote here: https://panel.talonro.com/voting/.

With all of these, you should be able to 1-shot sleepers with bowling bash while taking minimal damage. Although your flee is reduced against multiple enemies, it doesn't really kick in until the 2nd set of hits. Since you can 1-shot instead of 2-shot, you do not have to worry about tanking more hits. Moreover, with earth deleter card, mobbing 2 or more helps maintain/regain SP, but don't waste time mobbing. You want to focus on teleporting and immediately BBing any sleeper you see. Only mob when you teleport into one.

 

Summary

Here's the flow when I farm sleepers.

  1. Use sage to endow knight, then switch to priest.
  2. Open warp portal and buff bless/agi.
  3. Fly wing and bowling bash any sleepers you see.
  4. When bless/agi expires or you are 90% overweight, butterfly wing/!return to town and store GNs.
  5. While endow buff remains, go back to step 2.
  6. Switch to smith/alch and take 225 GNs from storage.
  7. Warp and agi your smith/alch to umbala and start breaking, then !return and sell to npc.
  8. While you have GNs in storage, go back to step 7. (Each session is ~2 minutes, 1~3 captchas.)
  9. Congrats, you just made a lot of money.

Including the other loots (not overcharged), you get 3m per hour if you farm 44 GN per 4 minutes. However, it is possible to get anywhere from 35 to 55 GN.

You can follow a similar procedure for hunting pinguicula for bronze coins and merit badges. You can get the quest from Eden group's hunting boards at the right side.

 

What's next?

Since our knight does not need to be geared expensively, we can put our resources towards another character. One of the first big milestones in this server is having your own LKH. Other than that, you can work towards a sinx for farming geffenia, which produces 4m per hour on a 70m budget and 5m per hour on a 140m budget. Link to guide: https://forum.talonro.com/topic/30775-sparks-geffenia-guide/.

 

A special thanks to you, the reader, for making it this far. Happy farming!

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I'm looking foward for you minimum budget sinx guide to geffenia.

Thx for this info

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Damn! Because of you, I'll start seeing lots of little Knighties on my main farming place!! /pif
 
Joke aside, this is a really great guide! As a LK who drops more or less 700 GN / hour, I approve everything. There's nothing to change on this guide. It's both well detailed and beginner-friendly! Whoever wants to start GN farming, please read it all, and read it again! /ok
 
I'd also recommend this guide that I used when I started on this server, I think they complement each other quite well:
 
I'll just add some tips for those who want to get to the extra mile, just small details here and there for extra comfort and efficiency... Some are useful, some are useless. Take whatever you want from that list :) 
  • You will want Sleep immunity, get a slotted mid-headgear with Nightmare card
  • You will want Stone Curse immunity, there are 2 solutions: 
    • 1) If you use a shield, you can use Medusa card
    • 2) Evil druid card on armor. It enchants your armor with Undead property. Many things happen when wearing undead armor, but for farming sleeper you only need to know that: You are immune to Stone Curse, but you can't receive Heal (you can still receive buffs and use the Doctor NPC, though!)
  • Another way of Teleporting is by using a Creamy Card accessory. Infinite Fly wing is still better because there's no extra message window that pops up on each teleport.
  • When starting the sleepers journey as a young Knight, Magmaring card on garment can also help reaching 1-hit BB (Increase physical damage on Earth Property enemies by 10%.), especially if you use Ahlspiess instead of rental Brocca
  • Rebirthing to LK makes your time easier: With Concentration, you only need to buy a super cheap Ahlspiess to 1-Hit BB, without the need of any buff (except Endow). So you only need to back to town when you're 90% overweight. Also, you won't need to farm Bronze coins for Rental Brocca anymore.
  • BB cast is reducible by DEX, and animation + delay is based on ASPD. In theory, that means that the fastest BB spam you can get is by having 150 DEX and 190 ASPD. However, this is completely overkill, especially because there's a limit of 3 skills per second.
  • As a complement of Teleport, Peco + fast movement speed helps to reach some places quickly. The cheapest way to increase move speed is to make yourself a Moogle Ball. (Lets you use the skill Agi Up lvl 2: https://wiki.talonro.com/Crown_Jewelry_Quest). Switch hat, cast agi up, switch back to your main hat.
  • For LK: With a 2H-sword, you can use Parry which is a great defensive skill, and 2-Hand quicken for faster ASPD. I'd recommend it only if you 1-Hit BB sleepers with your weapon, so run the numbers on calculator. My favorite weapon there is Veteran Sword, because with Violet Fear, you sometimes waste some time with the auto-cast of Meteor Storm...
  • Ice Pick is a VERY effective weapon on sleepers. It's an expensive buy though... so I personally don't recommend if it's just for sleepers. However, if you already have one, or if you plan on making a sinX later, then have fun with it :D 
  • It's up to you if you want to spend the extra 0.5 sec picking up non-GN loots, or just focus on GN. Keep in mind it adds up over a 1-hour session
  • With some practice and no lag, you can pick up some of the loots when they're falling to the ground, but not on the ground yet

 

About the breaking GN/selling Green Lives part:

  • It's not very clear on the guide, but for the Umbala warp, the idea is that your warper slave can /memo ON the warp that brings you to the Shaman house (you can walk on it if you haven't done the quest)
  • Load 225 GN in your inventory, 225 GN in your cart, so you only have to open Kafra storage once every 2 trips
  • For non-bonus-bundle users, you can abuse !sj to come back to a place where there's both a Kafra and a Tool dealer NPC in sight for an instant sell and restock. To do that, set up a shop with a 3rd account, selling one garbage item that no one would ever sell nor buy. Then, just set the !sj command as a shortcut for a quick back to town. However, !sj abuse will become obsolete post-Iduna, because as I understand, you will only be able to !sj on autotrade shops, so that won't work anymore /heh
  • While doing that, to warp your merchant back to Shaman:
    • 1) Cast Warp Portal WITHOUT validating the location BEFORE your merchant backs, on the exact tile he's going to return
    • 2) Merchant backs, sell, restock without moving
    • 3) Validate the warp location for an instant warp back to Shaman house
 
See you in yuno_fild06!
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Thanks @Hatfun for the helpful tips! I have a bonus tip as well: If you get slept or stoned, you can !return to town and use a priest to cure you with recovery or blessing. This saves precious time without any immunity gear.

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If you have the time, you could also make a Linker so that you can reduce consumables. Less consumables equals more weight for GNs. And also, you'll have a free resu too.

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Back in the days when I was farming at this place, I really find it more beneficial to rather spend my time whacking more sleepers than to use that time breaking GNs. 

I realized that the profit I made in farming more GNs outweighs the profit I made breaking them. 

When I see GN buyers I just sell it to them and let them do the breaking.

But, that was just me, I guess

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I think Selling GN vs Breaking them is an interesting topic. It depends on many factors:

  • How fast you can farm GNs
  • How fast you can break GNs
  • The buying price
  • Availability of a buying merchant (at the right price)
  • If you prefer staying on the sleeper map forever, or have a "break" for GN breaking from times to times

I don't think there's a clear answer on which is better, it depends on player's preference, so I can only speak for my case, which might be different than anyone else.

Personally, I drop 700 GN per hour (sometimes more, sometimes less). A buying merchant can buy around 215 GN at a time. So I need to find 4 merchants willing to buy at a good price for each hour of farm, which doesn't happen all the time.
I also break around 10K GN per hour, so I find the time breaking GN relatively negligible compared to the time I farm on sleepers. It's an 1 hour break for every 14 hours of farming.

So my preference goes for breaking the GN myself. But I understand those who prefer to sell them to players instead.

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5 hours ago, Ghaspar said:

Back in the days when I was farming at this place, I really find it more beneficial to rather spend my time whacking more sleepers than to use that time breaking GNs. 

I realized that the profit I made in farming more GNs outweighs the profit I made breaking them. 

When I see GN buyers I just sell it to them and let them do the breaking.

But, that was just me, I guess

Same. The time spent on breaking GN is less productive than using it to farm more GN. Just sell your GN at 3,700 ea, people will still buy them. 

 

Others will say, " but i break GNs on my free time or when I am not farming ", still, the time spent breaking it would be more useful if you farm for more GNs /heh

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To compute the efficiency of breaking GN, you simply need to know how much you can break per hour and set how much profit you want to get from that.

For example, I break 225 GN per 2 minutes or 6750 GN per hour, and if I want it to be as valuable as 3m per hour then 3m/6750=444 zeny must be the profit per GN. That means, I would need to sell to someone buying GN for at least 4030-444=3586 zeny. Most people buy for 3.4k tops, so it's more efficient for me to break it myself.

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48 minutes ago, ArseniXC said:

To compute the efficiency of breaking GN, you simply need to know how much you can break per hour and set how much profit you want to get from that.

For example, I break 225 GN per 2 minutes or 6750 GN per hour, and if I want it to be as valuable as 3m per hour then 3m/6750=444 zeny must be the profit per GN. That means, I would need to sell to someone buying GN for at least 4030-444=3586 zeny. Most people buy for 3.4k tops, so it's more efficient for me to break it myself.

And there is also a considerable amount of time involved trading the GN since they are so heavy. So even if you could sell them for 3586 zeny each like in this example, it would still be more efficient to break them yourself. In my experience you will earn money about twice as fast breaking GN as opposed to spending that time trading and farming GN, provided you are breaking and farming efficiently and you have a big enough quantity of GN to break.

Nice guide btw!

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Hmm, I think you got it wrong somewhere, or I'm not understanding your calculation correctly. What @ArseniXC mentioned as "profit" is the price difference to break even between selling to players and breaking them himself. One single GN is worth around 4,000 zeny.

Let's make it more simple, based on simplified assumptions:
  • We drop 45 GN per 4 minutes
  • We break 225 GN per 2 minutes
  • 1 GN, once broken and sold as Green Lives is worth 4,000 zeny
  • We got 44 minutes in our hands
 
In these 44 minutes, we can either:
  1. Drop GN for 40 minutes, and break for 4 minutes. You would drop 450 GN and break & sell everything.
  2. Drop GN for 44 minutes, and sell everything to players. You would drop 495 GN.
In case of 1), you would make 450 x 4,0001,800,000 zeny
In case of 2), you would make 495 x buying price
- If buying price is 3,100 that would make 1,534,500 zeny which is less than breaking yourself (This is the highest price from buyer I can find at the moment...)
- If buying price is 3,637 that would make 1,800,315 zeny which is the same as breaking yourself
- If buying price is 3,700 that would make 1,831,500 zeny which is slightly more than breaking yourself
 
And I'm not considering the time to find buying merchant to buy per batch of 225 GN (too heavy to carry more), or setup your selling shop every 225 GN.
 
So as I said in my previous post, it depends on how many GN you farm, the availability of buying merchants, and the price on which you can sell them to players, how fast you break & sell the GN, and of course player's preference :) 
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Hi @Hatfun! I actually noticed the error while I was cooking. 😅

Cheers /gawi

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It really depends on the player's preference, then. I guess I just find it boring talking to that Shaman. /heh 

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